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Poster: quigs Date: Jun 19, 2010 10:27pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What if someone takes the sound from a PD movie and....

Think of the movie called "What's up Tiger Lily"? Woody Allen took a terrible Japanesse secret agent movie and changed the plot- of rivaling agents trying to get the secret formula of egg salad.

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Poster: FP   Date: Jun 20, 2010 7:00am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What if someone takes the sound from a PD movie and....

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Actually, there are certain underlying rights, such as music in the film, story rights, and various other rights, that may interfere with the free, unfettered commercial re-purposing of PD content.

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Jun 20, 2010 9:06am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What if someone takes the sound from a PD movie and....

Nope. If that were true, those items wouldn't be PD. You can go in circles forever with that theory.

Edit: See this post http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=309883

This post was modified by billbarstad on 2010-06-20 16:06:50

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Poster: FP   Date: Jun 24, 2010 8:07am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What if someone takes the sound from a PD movie and....

I hope your confidence doesn't get you into trouble.

As long as the PD work is presented complete, it's usually safe. The problem arises from "derivative works". It's too complicated to go into here. Unless you're familiar with BMI cue sheets and original agreements and so on, re-purposing PD content for commercial purposes can lead to a world of painful legal issues.

Why do you think Prelinger content, available here for free, is also available in "cleared" form for a fee through another company? It's not because production companies like spending money for no reason.

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Jun 24, 2010 8:21am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What if someone takes the sound from a PD movie and....

I concede the point. You seem familiar with this area of copyright law. And I know that, if there is significant money to be had, individuals and companies will come out of the woodwork with lawsuits. I remember when the iPod became popular it happened, even though it had been on the market for a couple of years beforehand.

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Poster: HektorT Date: Jun 20, 2010 4:56pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What if someone takes the sound from a PD movie and....

sometimes soundtracks are licensed for a film in a buyout, so as long as it is synched with the film, it is PD. But if you just take the soundtrack and use it alone, you might have copyright issues.

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Poster: George Peter Gatsis Date: Jun 20, 2010 6:19pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What if someone takes the sound from a PD movie and....

Okay... show of hands... who thinks if I take the sound track and animate new visuals... am I in copyright infringement regarding the sound track?

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Jun 20, 2010 7:35pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What if someone takes the sound from a PD movie and....

I wouldn't worry. It's just FUD. The PD license is clear.

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Poster: FP   Date: Jun 24, 2010 8:15am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What if someone takes the sound from a PD movie and....

No. The PD license is not clear. I wish it was. The current state of law and its enforcement is a mess.

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Poster: cosmico Date: Jun 20, 2010 7:06pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What if someone takes the sound from a PD movie and....

Maybe?

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Poster: George Peter Gatsis Date: Jun 20, 2010 7:21pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What if someone takes the sound from a PD movie and....

Well that blows...

What's the point of content being PD if you can't do anything you want with the content?

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Poster: cosmico Date: Jun 20, 2010 7:31pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What if someone takes the sound from a PD movie and....

If you're not making money off it or blasting it all over the web, it's probably not such a big issue. But it's true that just because a film is PD doesn't necessarily mean the soundtrack by itself is also. I'm no expert, however.

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Poster: George Peter Gatsis Date: Jun 20, 2010 7:42pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What if someone takes the sound from a PD movie and....

I WAAAS considering on making money...

example... for the past 3 years, I have been enhancing LOSTWORLD... literally shot by shot cleaning it up and adding background to the left and right of the shots to make it widescreen...

heck... even redoing some of the shots altogether, clipping the individual characters, making a new background and placing them back into the shot...

Its a very slow process... eventually it will be done... oh yes... it will be done.

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Poster: FP   Date: Jun 24, 2010 8:13am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What if someone takes the sound from a PD movie and....

If you produce new content, and produce a brand-new soundtrack for the silent film, and newly-worded subtitles, you're good to go, I think. The big problem here is the literary rights. Research.

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Poster: cosmico Date: Jun 20, 2010 8:26pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What if someone takes the sound from a PD movie and....

It's rare, but there have been instances where the owner of the music in an old PD film went after a PD DVD seller.

Ask Video Cellar. He's the real expert on issues like this. Better to be safe than sorry.


This post was modified by cosmico on 2010-06-21 03:26:57

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 20, 2010 7:49pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What if someone takes the sound from a PD movie and....

GPG , Yes , Indeed , sir - it will be done .